Fearful behavior
#1
Posted 28 February 2010 - 01:46 PM
Im pretty sure it has to do with being bathed and having her nails clipped but I could use some advice.
We try and give both dogs a bath and do the nails on the same day. Sarah usually holds her during the nail clipping (shes deathly afraid of the dremel so we dont even try that anymore) and feeds her treats after each nail gets clipped. Shes very good about accepting them. Then its bath time. As soon as we towel her off and put her collar back on its boom....off the the crate where she wont come out unless its time for dinner. Then she sulks around and gets all droopy headed when I walk past. What can we do? Is this just situational feer that needs to be de-sensatized or are we looking at a bigger problem?
Her obedience needs a lot of work. She hasnt figured out anything but 'sit' and 'sit stay' at this point. Weve got some great advice from Gardner but come, down and heel are not in her play book. This is especially frustrating when we let her out and she wont come back in. Im thinking we need to go back to the out on a leash method and limit the playtime to indoors until the obedience issue is sorted out.
Last question. How much and how rough should playtime be? Kiera usually starts by nibbling on Metros ears until he opens his mouth and starts whining. They dance around each other for a while and end up tussling and then they stop for a rest. In about 5 minutes they are back at it again. Should I be limiting this?
Doggies should come with instructions.
#2
Posted 28 February 2010 - 02:11 PM
I can only speak from my experience.
Maybe try a good trainer, a behavior class.
I can only speak from my ordeal with Hunter after I was broken into. They branded him
under his chin with something I believe something from the stove. I could not even
go near the stove and he would hide. I took him to a class to get his confidence
back and it did seem to help, although he never got over the stove. He would
hear the click of the knob of the stove being turned on and he was gone.
It was the first time in my entire life I felt violent, how dare they come into
my home and hurt my dogs..............................
It takes work and a bunch of patience.
Schauden and Hunter used to play, Schaudeh is a rough neck. They never fought
just played but when it became to rough I stopped it immediately.
Edited by Nancy Robinson, 28 February 2010 - 02:15 PM.
"Until one has LOVED AN ANIMAL, part of
their SOUL REMAINS UNAWAKENED"
"
Yesterday is "HISTORY", Today is a "GIFT" and Tomorrow is a "MYSTERY"
"Always always try to be the" BEST YOU CAN BE"
Do not walk in front of me - I may not follow.
Do not walk behind me - I may not lead.
But walk beside me - and be my friend.
May you always have Love to Share
Health to Spare
and Friends who Care
Forever locked in my Heart
"I CARRY YOUR HEARTS IN MY HEART"........FOREVER
My "WHITE ANGEL".....Sweet sweet Schaudeh
4/17/1999...............5/14/2013
My "Bounty Hunter"
11/6/2000.......8/3/2009
My "Miks Von Rom Mateese"
7/6/1990..........4/4/1999
"I LOVED you yesterday, I LOVE you today, and I will LOVE you tomorrow'"
for you have never really left me
#3
Posted 28 February 2010 - 05:09 PM
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#4
Posted 01 March 2010 - 12:11 AM
As for how rough, mine come in with scratch marks from each other, and they get pretty rough. We let them unless body language changes or someone snarls, etc. I would say that is up to you. If they are being rougher than you are comfortable with, then they must stop. Just like parents, when they can't stand the kids screaming anymore than it is enough.
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#5
Posted 01 March 2010 - 04:32 AM
As for coming, -- all of my dogs have always thought that "come" was an optional command. Even when they have been to obedience, they manage to disassociate the command from when they are working in that context and when they are doing interesting things out on the farm, when come happens only if the treat I have in my hand is more interesting than the whatever they are after.
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#6
Posted 01 March 2010 - 08:55 AM
#7
Posted 01 March 2010 - 10:02 AM
#8
Posted 01 March 2010 - 11:13 AM
fear part. Arda is right, Schaudeh came around on her
own, but Hunter was completely traumatized and I
wanted him to get some of his confidence back so I did
seek help with him. He came around on everything but
the stove. Bless his heart.
People think in my area this doesn't happen, well I have news
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE.
Edited by Nancy Robinson, 01 March 2010 - 04:55 PM.
"Until one has LOVED AN ANIMAL, part of
their SOUL REMAINS UNAWAKENED"
"
Yesterday is "HISTORY", Today is a "GIFT" and Tomorrow is a "MYSTERY"
"Always always try to be the" BEST YOU CAN BE"
Do not walk in front of me - I may not follow.
Do not walk behind me - I may not lead.
But walk beside me - and be my friend.
May you always have Love to Share
Health to Spare
and Friends who Care
Forever locked in my Heart
"I CARRY YOUR HEARTS IN MY HEART"........FOREVER
My "WHITE ANGEL".....Sweet sweet Schaudeh
4/17/1999...............5/14/2013
My "Bounty Hunter"
11/6/2000.......8/3/2009
My "Miks Von Rom Mateese"
7/6/1990..........4/4/1999
"I LOVED you yesterday, I LOVE you today, and I will LOVE you tomorrow'"
for you have never really left me
#9
Posted 04 March 2010 - 10:42 PM
For Bailey's training the instructor stressed the point to train in an area filled with distractions and one day going to the grocery store it hit me......there is no place more scary and filled with distractions than a grocery store. So I started to take her to Krogers to train everyday. The carts banging around, cars, people, kids and of course her nemesis.....the automatic doors! We made it our goal to walk by those doors without her freaking out and breaking her heal and eventually she did it. Now of course she tried to run for the hills a couple times in the beginning but shrugging it off and not making a big deal about it let her get over it faster. Not to mention distracted, busy and tired dogs are better behaved dogs. Good luck, keep us posted.
#10
Posted 05 March 2010 - 07:29 AM
Thanks for that advise Joaquin I know this isn't about Eric but I like the information.
Good luck with Kiera
#11
Posted 05 March 2010 - 07:54 AM
#12
Posted 05 March 2010 - 09:09 AM
They let you take Bailey into the grocery store?! How cool is that? If we tried to take one of our puplets into a store up here, we would probably be tazed. We can only take them into the pet supply store, but that is in Traverse City, and it is about an hour away.So I started to take her to Krogers to train everyday.
Susie Q
SCD's Darlin' Darcy - CGC
SCD's Mr. McBump - CGC
SCD's Liddle Diddles - CGC
Forever in our hearts:
SCD's One Cool Dude (7/05-4/10)
Ralph (SCD) (10/99-6/05)
Rex (SCD) (6/93-9/99)
Sheeba (BYB) (11/82-4/93)
#13
Posted 05 March 2010 - 09:23 AM
were walking with the carts.
#14
Posted 05 March 2010 - 09:30 AM
I worked with Bella when she was extremely dog aggressive... We started about 100 feet from the Petsmart entrance and when she stopped reacting, we progressively moved closer and closer...
do check out Home Depot. I've heard you can take dogs in there and did see one once, and Lowe's may have a similar policy... and then most pet stores like Petsmart, Petco, and Pet Supplies Plus...
as for the "Come" command, for my dogs it is not an option... and while I train it with lots of praise and happy voice in the beginning, I also train it with me angry yelling at them, screaming at them, etc. I want them to come no matter what they think my mood is or how much potential trouble they are in... They still get the praise and cookie when they get to me...
and no off-leash until I know they will come... even in the yard... Beau had a really hard time with that, on leash in the fenced in back yard...
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#15
Posted 05 March 2010 - 10:58 AM
with both. It takes patience and being consistent. (Hunter was only fearful after
the incident) I never could get him over the stove deal and I did not push it.
He still knew his commands and he did them he got his confidence back.
When I had my German Shepherd I used to take her to the mall, stores
you name if. Schaudeh and Hunter the same thing. Socialization
when young is very important, even older. Different sounds, sights
whatever really helps. Socialization is a big thing, commands are
another. I could point to the ground and my dogs would lay down,
Schaudeh still does, I could hold my hand up and they would stay,
I could make a gesture and they would come, another gesture
and they would stay.
Also a whole lot of PRAISE PRAISE PRAISE
Edited by Nancy Robinson, 05 March 2010 - 11:41 AM.
"Until one has LOVED AN ANIMAL, part of
their SOUL REMAINS UNAWAKENED"
"
Yesterday is "HISTORY", Today is a "GIFT" and Tomorrow is a "MYSTERY"
"Always always try to be the" BEST YOU CAN BE"
Do not walk in front of me - I may not follow.
Do not walk behind me - I may not lead.
But walk beside me - and be my friend.
May you always have Love to Share
Health to Spare
and Friends who Care
Forever locked in my Heart
"I CARRY YOUR HEARTS IN MY HEART"........FOREVER
My "WHITE ANGEL".....Sweet sweet Schaudeh
4/17/1999...............5/14/2013
My "Bounty Hunter"
11/6/2000.......8/3/2009
My "Miks Von Rom Mateese"
7/6/1990..........4/4/1999
"I LOVED you yesterday, I LOVE you today, and I will LOVE you tomorrow'"
for you have never really left me
#16
Posted 05 March 2010 - 01:04 PM
-M. Acklam
#17
Posted 05 March 2010 - 01:08 PM
Whatever you do, don't coddle her when she is fearful. Just ignore it and carry on. I would suggest getting her out more....try Lowe's or Home Depot too. They are usually dog friendly, but ask first. I would take my new adoptees to a small town called Milford that has a lot of street cafes, people traffic, sidewalks close to the street, even a train tressle. People would always ask to pet and I just told them they were in training and to touch them all over. They got used to the sounds of cars and trucks and how they could pass by and we managed to survive it all . Take them as many places as you can find and stimulate, stimulate, stimulate! Pretty soon they will be as mellow as Ruby....I can practically run the vacuum right over her. Nothing fazes her.
AMEN
"Until one has LOVED AN ANIMAL, part of
their SOUL REMAINS UNAWAKENED"
"
Yesterday is "HISTORY", Today is a "GIFT" and Tomorrow is a "MYSTERY"
"Always always try to be the" BEST YOU CAN BE"
Do not walk in front of me - I may not follow.
Do not walk behind me - I may not lead.
But walk beside me - and be my friend.
May you always have Love to Share
Health to Spare
and Friends who Care
Forever locked in my Heart
"I CARRY YOUR HEARTS IN MY HEART"........FOREVER
My "WHITE ANGEL".....Sweet sweet Schaudeh
4/17/1999...............5/14/2013
My "Bounty Hunter"
11/6/2000.......8/3/2009
My "Miks Von Rom Mateese"
7/6/1990..........4/4/1999
"I LOVED you yesterday, I LOVE you today, and I will LOVE you tomorrow'"
for you have never really left me
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